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Monday, November 3, 2014

Note on the 2014 Maddox Prize

As those of you who follow me on twitter or Facebook might have seen recently, Dr Emily Willingham and myself were the joint recipients of the 2014 John Maddox Prize for Standing up for Science; This is a huge, humbling and unexpected honour. The award  "rewards an individual who has promoted sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest. Its emphasis is on those who have faced difficulty or hostility in doing so" and is awarded jointly by Sense About Science, Nature, and the Kohn Foundation. It is named after John Maddox, an inspiring figure who edited Nature for 22 years and consistently encouraged scientists to engage with the public and present the scientific case, even when controversial.


rewards an individual who has promoted sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest. Its emphasis is on those who have faced difficulty or hostility in doing so.  - See more at: http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/john-maddox-prize.html#sthash.ocZyUsfZ.dpuf
rewards an individual who has promoted sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest. Its emphasis is on those who have faced difficulty or hostility in doing so.  - See more at: http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/john-maddox-prize.html#sthash.ocZyUsfZ.dpu


 I am genuinely delighted and grateful to have been recognised in such a way, and really want to thank you, my regular readers, for your continuing support over the years - as you probably gather from my frequent tetchy asides, communicating the scientific consensus can often be somewhat thankless, especially on issues where evidence is at odds with passionately held beliefs. In these instances, writing about the subject often feels like painting a target on one's back, but I do try and reassure myself those who write personal slurs or angry messages are a small albeit loud minority. I delivered a short speech last week at the Sense About Science annual reception, and some of you asked for the text of that so I offer it here;

"I never had the pleasure of meeting John, but I've been inspired by his brilliance; in 2012 I published an academic review with the subtle title “Proposed mechanisms for homeopathy are physically impossible” ; in that paper I discuss his inspired move as editor of Nature to enlist the magician James Randi to investigate a paper which claimed to have found evidence of homeopathy. Their subsequent investigation showed this claim to be unfounded, and showcased for me John's unerring commitment to scientific scepticism . It is a huge honour to be awarded in his name.
  
Presenting the scientific case can be a seemingly thankless task; we live in an era where instantaneous access to the wealth of human knowledge is at our very fingertips, and yet the paradox of our time is that this same freedom allows odious misinformation and complete falsehoods to perpetuate further and faster than ever before.

Yet while challenging dubious science often feels like a Sisyphean task, it is vital that we in the scientific community continue to engage and support evidence-based discourse, because the problems we face as a society are more than merely academic.  If we are truly to find pragmatic effective solutions to the towering problems facing us today, we will need to encourage evidence in the public sphere.
 
Curiously perhaps, one of the greatest challenges in conveying  science  is human psychology. The psychologist Leon Festinger observed that "a man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."  Or, if you prefer Paul Simon’s sentiment  “All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”.  Frequently, personal convictions are impervious to any evidence.

Yet in arenas as diverse as politics to medicine, ideological positions devoid of any evidence often condemn us to meander aimlessly around suboptimal solutions. Yet we cannot afford to forget that reality doesn’t care one iota for what we believe - If we persist in disregarding evidence to bolster misguided ideology, we all suffer for it and this is something we should all seek to challenge not only in others, but ourselves too. Whilst some will never be swayed from their position by any volume of evidence, we can only hope that the silent majority are more reasonable.

Perhaps inevitably, when you challenge beliefs that people may hold dear, some will resort to attacking the messenger and this is never  pleasant to endure. On a personal note, I’d like to thank the people who have supported me through the nastier moments; my fantastic parents and brother , my wonderful girlfriend Mathilde, and my long-suffering friends. I’d also like to thank my colleagues in the University of Oxford and Dublin City University, in particular Prof Enda McGlynn and Dr. Mike Partridge, and my editors at the Irish Times and the Guardian. 

And finally, I’d like to extend my gratitude to the inspiring people at Sense About Science, who have demonstrated that engaging more with the public to counter scientific misunderstandings can in fact benefit everyone .   I am deeply humbled and honoured my contributions to public discussion have been recognised by such pioneers. Thank you, and goodnight. 


-David Robert Grimes, Monday 27th October 2014" 



Prof Enda McGlynn, Myself, Danny "Teegan Murray, Prof. Susan Bewley and Prof. Colin Blakemore at the Sense about Science annual reception.

I'll wrap this up here to keep it short, but thank you all again for your enduring support and for reading my outpourings. If you don't already follow the work of Sense About Science, you might want to check them out as their "Ask for Evidence" campaign launches today.  Massive congratulations again to Dr Emily Willingham, whose work (especially on the autism debate) is excellent and can be checked out here. Thanks again folks - and do keep reading!  Dave

PS: If you're curious about that homeopathy paper... 

PPS: I had a chat with the inimitable Nick Cohen last week, and he has written an excellent piece on why evidence matters which is worth a read





Sunday, October 26, 2014

Anti-biotics, Fluoride, tumours, alcohol and rhetoric - a wide-ranging round-up!

Whenever I start to write a blog-post, I find myself feel guilty over the litany of excuses I produce for my tardiness - Apologies for the delay in updating; much has been afoot -I've been somewhat side-tracked with academic work, teaching and even a sneaky holiday home to go hiking / play guitar, and as usual I've neglected to blog - I have, however, not been totally idle and figured I'd give you good folks who come here despite my lethargy an update of recent events, articles and radio / TV work - as a result, this blog-post will probably be all over the place but there should be something for everyone!

  

 Response to the Open Letter last Month 

 Despite the absolute inanity of the subject, the anti-fluoride movement continues apace - further to my open letter to Dublin City Council a few weeks back, the council decided that facts and evidence are pretty much a nuisance and can be disregarded and replaced with vapid scaremongering and anti-science sentiment; in their infinite wisdom they voted to remove fluoride from the water supply. This isn't particularly shocking - I've written before both here and for the Guardian the mindless populist politics that drive such a decision, but it is a shame our elected representatives fixate on shallow posturing rather than considered health policy. I should make an exception to my harsh words here however  - several members of Labour, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael replied to my e-mail and told me they would most certainly not vote to remove fluoride. However, no one from Sinn Fein, who pushed the motion, even bothered to reply to the email or letter. Quelle surprise.

Of course, in some respects the whole thing is academic, in the loosest sense of the word - Dublin City Council have no more authority to remove fluoride from water than I have to stage a wet t-shirt contest in the House of Commons, which might lead one to question why exactly the assembled genii of Sinn Fein pressed a vote on it, especially as their similar stunt in the Dail last year fell flat on its face. I debated TD Brain Stanley about this at the time and wrote up my understanding of their position here, but still the whole daft thing rumbles on.

It may be an unsuitable venue for wet t-shirt contests, but if anyone wishes to dunk Cameron in ice-cold water you won't hear any objections out of me.... .

Frankly, the whole fluoride thing bores me to tears; instead of presenting nuanced arguments or actual evidence, the anti-fluoridation lobby in Ireland continue with outlandish assertion, half-baked conspiracy theory and badly-made meme images in lieu of an actual argument. Like some bizarre hydra of hysteria, no sooner have you debunked one myth when three more get flung up in its stead. More than that,  as I've mentioned before it's an area which attracts a very dedicated, angry contingent with severe conspiratorial fixations, and the sheer volume of insulting, aggressive or plain unhinged correspondence it generates is exhausting;  In a textbook demonstration of ad-hom approaches,  I've been accused of being everything from a big pharmacy shill to a bloody member of the Illuminati. The only reason I persist in stating the scientific case is that if the anti-fluoride campaigners were to actually succeed in their position, it would not only set back public health, but would send an alarming message that evidence doesn't matter, and baseless assertion is enough - remember, as Geoff Lillis explained recently, the same lobby group are resoundingly anti-vaccination (and obviously, anti-science) and my real fear is that reversing fluoridation would encourage them rather than appease them. Anyway, I digress....


New Articles

Moving on from the seemingly endless fluoride debacle,  I've also written quite a few pieces over the past few months which are mercifully unrelated to fluoride. In no particular order, topics I've covered recently are...

Anti-biotic resistance  - Antibiotic resistance is a huge encroaching danger to our collective health, and risks rendering us helpful in the face of once curable diseases. If we're to avoid this grim conclusion, we need to take steps to moderate and innovate our drug use. (Opinion, Irish Times)     

Debate, rhetoric and logic -  With the advent of the Internet, we're constantly surrounded by discussion, argument and flame wars masquerading as debate. However, often logic is jettisoned when we fall prey to bad arguments and non-sequitar reasoning. These dubious rhetorical traps are ubiquitous in everything from politics to newspaper pieces, and serve as a vehicle for dodgy reasoning. In this piece, I present some common logical and rhetorical fallacies, and discuss how we can avoid being caught out by them - or worse still, engaging in them  (Irish Times, Features)  

Libertarian ideology and science  - In my previous pieces I have constantly lamented the jarring disconnect between science and ideology; science by definition changes its conclusions in the light of evidence, whilst too frequently ideology denies evidence to preserve its dogma. In this piece, I look at the clashes between economic libertarianism and scientific issues like climate change and gun control, re-iterating the research that suggests ideology blinds us. (Guardian, Science / Opinion)  

Obesity Myths and fad diets - There are entire publishing houses dedicated solely to doling out the latest trendy celebrity endorsed diet plan or supplement, yet the best medical evidence indicates these not only won't make us any thinner, they can actively damage us. Despite incredibly strange dietary fads, it appears that humans, like the rest of the cosmos, are still bound to the laws of thermodynamics and people will put on weight when their energy consumption exceeds their energy requirements, regardless of that hawkers try and cell  (Opinion, Irish Times)

Alcohol and date rape drugs -  If media coverage is in any way indicative of risk, then drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) is alarmingly common. However, public perception is often wrong and in this piece I discuss how research indicates that if any drug deserves the moniker of date-rape drug, it is alcohol that steals this dubious crown. (Guardian Science Blog)


Radio / Television contributions 

I've also done some panel work with BBC and was a guest on BBC World Weekend a while back. I've also been on subsequently with a radio essay on climate change and politics - you can listen to it below




Academic work - Oxygen consumption dynamics

It's been busy on the academic front too - Dr. Alex Fletcher, Dr. Mike Partridge any myself recently had a paper published in Royal Society Open Science, the brand new journal from Royal Society. In this paper, we focus on the mathematics and physics of oxygen consumption in some common models tumour models, and investigate the effects of different oxygen consumption terms. The paper is open access and you can view it here if you're so inclined!

We also made the cover image of the journal, with a 3D rendered tumour spheroid, which you can see here. Turns out Mathematica can render pretty well, if you tell it where the light is coming from!

Our RSOS cover...

Because it was a first issue, we were also interviewed by the journal. If you're curious, you can watch us explain it here!



Right - that's enough for one blog post! Some of you have asked me about the PLOS One guitar paper, and I promise I will try and write a stand-alone blog post on that soon!  Until next time amigos -DRG.

PS: I've fixed the bloody contact form on my academic website - apologies if you couldn't get me there before.. 

Also, I've set up a public facebook page, as I had a few problems with slightly dubious people trying to get info from my private one and had to lock it down (long story) - please do feel free to like, and engage there too - I'll post my updates there in future! 





Sunday, August 31, 2014

Holy fluoride, Batman! An open letter to Dublin City Council

 A short open letter to Dublin city council members, ahead of their vote on water fluoridation on September 1st, 2014

Dear Dublin City Councillors,

    I write to you as a scientist and journalist to respectfully request that you allow best evidence to guide your decision on water fluoridation this week - I know you're busy people, and so am I (well technically I'm only a person, singular , but I digress) and it's unlikely you have time to trawl through Pubmed to read study after study on the safety and efficacy of fluoride and that's fair enough. The "too long, didn't read" version of the medical findings on fluoride are pretty clear: it has been hugely beneficial for our collective dental health and one of the few health measures which actually saves much more in dental / medical costs than the relatively puny amount we pay for it, and there's damn few health measures that can be said about. From a social perspective, it provides some modicum of base dental care to every tier in our unequal society.

But what about the terrible things you've heard from campaigners on the issue, insisting it causes everything from depression to cancer to bad haircuts and traffic jams? As politicians you probably try to respect the concerns of your constituents or perhaps more cynically hope they'll reward you with votes in exchange for a quick populist move in their favour.  But the truth is you're giving certain elements way too much credit - the case against fluoride is nothing more than vapid scaremongering, based on a flammable mixture of dubious assertion, spurious correlation, poor reasoning and often a smattering of jaw-dropping dishonesty.

You'll excuse me, I hope, that I'm penning this with a palpable sense of weariness; as a science writer I've covered this topic before and am heartily sick of it - I wrote about it for the Irish Times last September and more recently, the Guardian in April. The title of that piece, "Politicians should stop pandering to anti-fluoridation campaigners" should make my frustration (and indeed, the weariness of many of us in the scientific and health community) clear; In it, I outline the facts and dismiss some of the fictions; as with all Guardian Science pieces it's fully referenced and filled with hyperlinks to medical sources and supporting evidence should you wish to explore further. Similarly, Science journalist Gerry Byrne makes an eloquent case debunking many of these myths you can read here.

The fluoride issue is driven by a vocal minority with an almost religious fervour - many of you have expressed on social media that you've been inundated with emails from anti-fluoride campaigners both in Ireland and abroad and I have sympathy for that - they can be a damn intimidating bunch; I've been verbally abused, threatened and insulted for having the audacity to point out their assertions are simply untrue. I've had a prominent anti-fluoride campaigner and his followers write to my employer and make a series of accusations about me - I've been accused of being in the pocket of big pharma, the Rockefeller foundation and even accused of being a member of the Illuminati (I'm afraid not - a shame, as I hear they have lovely business cards and great child-care facilities) and I agree 100% it's damn unpleasant - I've written about it here if you'd like to see the kind of tactics anti-fluoride fanatics in Ireland use. In fact, I'd urge you to read it, because it gives some background to the facts and fictions you might find useful. It also may give you some insight into the kind of people who've been lobbying you on this topic.

Fluoride conspiracy theories are nothing new - they've been around in their same ludicrous form for decades and even Dr. Strangelove ripped the royal piss out of them back in 1963*. After decades of investigation, their claims are simply without merit. I know they can be an intimidating and loud but it is nothing but sound and fury, and to entertain it would be to allow pure pathetic populism trump good health policy. The anti-fluoride crowd are loud, but it's a safe bet that the vast majority of the county would prefer a health policy based on best evidence rather than ideological scaremongering.. Remember also,  we've been on the anti-fluoride merry-go-round in the past - and in a gesture of appeasement we set up an independent expert body to examine the safety of fluoride; they've continued to find it beneficial for our dental health and have slammed the misinformation from the anti lobby. Similarly, Irish dentists support water fluoridation, and the WHO recommend a level of 1 mg/ L for optimum dental health.

It is scientific bodies like these, and the decades of peer-reviewed science upon which their conclusions are based, that should be underpinning your decision on Monday. Otherwise you're giving a public statement that you're willing to let angel-healing anti-vaccine activists dictate health policy and that cynical populism trumps the health of your electorate. I am personally sick of this topic, and if I'm honest it's not something I feel any great passion about - I almost resent having spent a chunk of my day off having to write about this nonsense again, but there is a principle that matter - if we allow dishonest or misinformed lobbying to displace one of the few positive preventative health measures we have, that is detrimental to everyone and sets a worrying precedent that evidence is simply unimportant in public discussion and policy.

I hope you've found this quick note useful, and  I truly hope tomorrow you'll make the decision to be guided by evidence and not scaremongering.

Best Wishes,

   David Robert Grimes

PS: I will be very interested in your replies, and may publish them here - I think it's important that politics is transparent and I'm sure you agree, though I will be happy to check with you first as a courtesy. 


..pretty much how I feel every time this comes up. Like Batman.

























Wednesday, August 6, 2014

Turning a blind eye...



I don’t make a habit of writing here about personal or non-scientific things, but on my last trip back home to Dublin something happened that I feel might strike a chord with some; it certainly did with me – There will soon be LOTS of pieces about Science and media coming up (Seriously, I’m half way through a series of monster posts so this is somewhat of an aside! ) so if you’d prefer to wait for them do check back soon! This piece is a little about intervention and turning a blind eye, and how this is something we should perhaps strive to avoid.

I’m just back from an excellent and sorely needed holiday in Dublin, and write this just over 24 hours after it happened before I start to forget things – I had a meeting in Town yesterday and grabbed a train from Skerries to Dublin Connolly. I had about 25 minutes to acquire something resembling food and wolf it down before crossing the Liffey. I was longing for a Chicken Salsa wrap, a bizarre craving exacerbated by a barely suppressed hangover from the Dionysian eve before. McDonalds may not be classy, but it ticked both boxes so I popped into the establishment beside the spire. In the queue directly in front of me to my left were two Russian students – baby faced and clearly in their teens. They ordered their food politely in clear but halting English. Immediately in front of me to my right was a woman with a thick inner-city Dublin accent and another younger lady in a Polka-dot belly top whom I presumed to be her daughter. The two dubs glanced over to the Russians and the older one poked the daughter and hissed “watch this now”. 


A typical Russian according to Hollywood - the gentlemen in question were not quite like this

 She proceeded to bump into the Russian beside her – out of basic politeness, he immediately apologised despite not having done anything. The older Dub kicked up a loud stink “Ah me bleeding back! Ah Jesus, would you watch it!”. The Russian teen apologies profusely, as the mother shoots a sideways snigger at the daughter. “Me back is fucked now, I’ll be getting me fookin’ solicitor after ya!” – The Russian teens look at each other, a little confused. “Da Lawyer” the daughter interjects. They guys know this word, and look quite panicked, apologising again. She's now milking it like a rotten ham; “Sorry isn’t good enough – yiss should be giving me money for that. I need a doctor”. This exchange is happening right in front of me, and I’m just waiting for the older woman to burst out laughing and exclaim she’s only winding them up. Only that doesn’t happen – in full view of everyone there, and within earshot of everyone in a 100 metre radius (at a charitable estimate) she proceeds to demand money. Within a moment she’s snatched a tenner from evidently distressed Russian student, bemoaning it’s not more. Lots of us are watching and I keep waiting for the moment she hands it back to him, laughing that she wound him up so much. But that doesn’t happen - her and the daughter snatch their food off the server and steam off giggling.   

The two Russian guys look genuinely shaken and distraught. “Excuse me guys – do you know that lady?” I ask. No. They don’t. And yes, she took their money. They’re just teens, language students over for a course. I was mortified that anyone in my country, especially a guest, would be treated that way so publicly and feel compelled to apologise profusely. They shrug, unhappy but thank me for my kind words. The others who’d watched the whole scene dissipate and say nothing. 

I stood there for a moment and tried to concentrate on navigating my chicken wrap, but my anger at what had transpired gnawed at me. I glanced over to the Russians who were sheepishly eating their meals, visibly uneasy. What kind of introduction to Ireland is that? What must they have thought of Irish people? I decided in that moment that my mere commiseration wasn't enough - I ambled over and asked them to wait for a second - now the McDonald's near the spire is a monstrosity of a building that sprawls over 3 stories, but I eventually found the odious pair on the very top level. While I damn well knew they were fully aware of that they were doing, I figured it might be possible to disarm them by playing dumb - channelling my best bumbling Hugh Grant-esque shtick, I approached the Gorgon nest gingerly.  

"Excuse me ladies - awfully sorry to bother you during lunch, but I'm afraid the little joke with the Russian students might have gone a little far - perhaps you could return their money and clear up the misunderstanding?"

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but the response was probably inevitable - the senior Medusa reared her shrivelled head and roared "Who the fook are you, you nosy little prick?" as the daughter shot me daggers - all the others diners spun around facing the source of the commotion like Antelope startled by a lion attack. My strategy of disarming discretion was now firmly out the window - she continued with a stream of interesting yet repetitive expletives directed at me.  I locked her gaze and outlined the problem to clarify the scene for the now captive audience in the hope public exposure might have some effect on her - "You threatened a young man, a visitor to this country, and intimidated him out of his limited money. You should be ashamed of yourself." Others around nodded in subtle agreement. "Fook off ya nosy fookin' bollox - he almost fooking killed me, me fookin back is in bits - that's my money now, should have taken a fooking hundred for the fookin' pain I'm in .I haven't done anything wrong so fook off ya ****".


Good cop, bad cop, Hugh Grant - a poor strategy for negotiation...

Despite my annoyance, I did my best to keep my tone calm and even and mainly succeeded -  "Listen, you Queen fucking Harpy - spare us the act. I was right behind you in the queue and saw your entire pathetic confidence trick - that boy didn't so much as glance you - incidentally, given you can't act to save your blessed life, you should give it up. And don't you dare pretend that what you did was in anyway justified - You extorted a scared kid, a pure shake-down - and the kid is just off the damn boat - what a fucking fantastic ringing endorsement for Ireland you are". 

"Fook off ya prick - what the fook are ya you nosy little bollox? Get d'fook outta here". I was glaring now and hadn't averted my gaze once through the entire exchange. I'm fairly sure I may have been emitting steam at this point but I bit it back - "There's a GardaĆ­ station on this very street. I suggest you give that gentleman back his money or I will go to them instead". She sneered with contempt to the gallery "Go get the fooking Guards. I did fookin nothin' wrong. They can arrest that little prick for breaking me fooking back".

I shook my head and walked away, to the sound of the junior kraken mouthing off -  "he's off now, ya fooking showed him!". Problem was, I was in a bind - while what had happened was clearly extortion and textbook hustling, I was sceptical whether the police could in fact do anything about it. I walked down the stairs, passing the Russians and the crowd of rubber-neckers who were listening in. "Back in a second, sorry - stick here" I muttered to the bemused pair as I exited the building and jogged up to O'Connell St Garda station. I outlined the situation to the duty officer, who agreed it was disgraceful and that he'd send a patrol immediately. I thanked him, but figured that this might be a polite fobbing-off for an event that simply didn't have the priority to making it a pressing concern.

I returned and apologised again to the Russians, assuring that them the vast majority of Irish people were not like this. I joined my long-suffering ladyfriend for my now frozen wrap. She asked if the police were coming, and I answered that it was very unlikely they would arrive in time if they did come - they probably just didn't have the time and resources for such things and sadly this time the nastiest person won. I had no sooner outlined this theory when it was immediately falsified by a triumvirate of Boys in Blue making their way up the stairs. I filled them in, and pointed out the victims and the culprits. One cop approached her and politely asked if they had taken money from the students. “What the fook is that *** after saying?! Who the fook are you?!” she yelled at me. “I’m the fucking pope as far as you’re concerned” I shot back, immediately realising that response made bugger all sense, except maybe in some surrealist way. Still it made me feel better and temporarily stunned her so there was that. The cop took charge and reiterated his question.  She admitted to having the money but said she’d go to her lawyer and that the cop could sod off. He calmly clarified -  “You extorted money under duress. Now are you going to give it back or do I have to arrest you?”. Bizarrely, she refused to give it and he shook his head as he popped out the handcuffs “Seems rather odd to me you’re willing to get arrested over a tenner” he mused philosophically, with the patience of a saint on Xanax.  

At this point I returned downstairs to see how the Russians were doing. A few seconds later one cop re-appeared with a grin and a tenner between his fingers. He handed it to the Russians, and apologised for their experience. “Where ya from lads, Russia? Jesus you lot aren’t popular the moment! Be safe now, and don’t let ones like that push you around”. He turned to me and informed me that he hadn’t enough to hold her on once she surrendered the tenner, but that I might want to get out before her to avoid another verbal exchange - “She’s not happy with you at all” he grinned. The two students were very grateful, and I assured them the vast majority of Irish people were alright. One told me in halting English that “You..are Irish. They are…” … “…scangers most likely” I shrugged, as they smiled bemused and mystified by the unexplained interjection Irish slang. I bid them farewell, and prepared to beat a hasty retreat before the Krakens awoke. 


Full disclaimer - I feel obliged to point out at this juncture that I am myself a born and bred Northsider...


Now, if you’ve stuck with me this far, you might wonder what the point of this whole story was – a tenner isn’t much, and even though the behaviour of the two wagons was appalling, it wasn’t anything so bad that the guys wouldn’t have eventually shrugged it off when they realised the vast majority of Irish people are nothing like that. Nor is it particularly brag-worthy – liberating a half-score from some awful people isn’t going to feature in “Tales of Heroism” anytime soon. This is all true, but what happened next was the part that genuinely affected me – as my ladyfriend and I prepared to leave, an older black lady who had been quietly watching the whole thing turned to me and said “Thank you” so sincerely it took me off guard – I smiled but mentioned I didn’t really do anything more than I felt was right– no one deserves that nonsense, and I’d hope anyone who sees it would call it out. She smiled wistfully and told me that she’s been living in Dublin 15 years, and lost count of the amount of times that she’d been on the receiving end of abuse and no one has lifted a finger to help. “I wish there were many more like you” she said softly.

And at that moment, I felt a surge of something that took me completely by surprise. I understood exactly why I had gotten so enraged by what I saw; it wasn’t just the bad behaviour of the cantankerous crone and her crony (pun five) that had irked me – that was almost tangential to the issue. No, what had really made me fume was how so many other people saw exactly the same thing I had and did absolutely nothing. They saw someone vulnerable clearly upset, bamboozled, and exploited and still chose to turn a blind eye. And it was that mentality of “someone else’s problem” that struck a chord with me – while it’s long in the past, I’ll never forgot the numerous times I got the living daylights beaten out of me by a gang of thugs and people –older people, groups of adults, other teenagers - would just stroll past and pretend it wasn’t happening. I’ll always vividly remember one time I was covered in blood, held down by four or guys whilst the remainder of the gang took turns using my face and ribs for kicking practice,  and still being able to resolve the spectre of people scurrying past trying to remain oblivious to what was transpiring in front of them.



That wasn’t the worst beating I ever got by any stretch, but it wasn’t the attacks that stayed with me – I had been a soft target, but with time I got tougher, more assertive and streetwise enough to avoid the idiots looking for trouble. I was resilient and well supported by loving family and friends that I shrugged much of it off – but to this day I will never be able to understand how people can see all manner of obvious injustices being perpetuated in front of them and resolve to pretend it isn’t happening. And I suspect part of me will always be angry when people shirk their basic obligation to assist those in need of help or protection, even if that assistance is something as easy as calling the police and reporting an incident, or talking to a victim.  

That being said, I do understand why people don’t always intervene directly – sometimes we may not know all the facts, sometimes we’re scared of what the consequences might be. This is especially understandable in situations where physical violence is a factor - I remember a friend and I trying to stop a man who was punching a woman on O’Connell Street (Note to self: Avoid O’Connell Street) , only to get slapped around by the very woman he was punching. Indeed, had the villains of this story been two large men instead of two women I could bench-press I may have convinced myself direct intervention was a poor choice – but even in these situations, something as simple as getting the police can make a huge difference to the victim and the outcome.  If nothing else, it’s a simple human act that can make someone realise they’re not utterly on their own when bad things occur.

I’ll try to quit the rant now it’s out of my system, but if you ever see people being abused in any fashion, anything you can do to get them a little assistance will be far more appreciated than you’d ever realise – whether it’s directly intervening, getting them help or even just asking if they’re alright. We as humans do not exist in a vacuum, and while it’s tempting to dismiss such things as none of our business or not our problem, even a minor intervention can be enough to make a huge difference, and if nothing else it might help you sleep easy at night.


As an aside, I would like to point out that my experience with Irish cops has always been absolutely brilliant, whether I’ve been put face first through a window or gotten my car jacked - it’s a damn tough job and hats off to the cops yesterday who responded so quickly. I'd also like to assure non-Irish readers that in general, Dublin and indeed Ireland is a very friendly place to visit, and such events are rare. Science stuff will resume in the next post!    


Thursday, May 22, 2014

A matter of policy...

Some quick thoughts about policy, populism and the election tomorrow....

Three years ago, my long suffering friend Danny 'Teegan' Murray and I embarked on a long, tedious poring-over of the election manifestos and platforms for all the major political parties. The result was the now defunct comparethepolicy.com ; one would simply click on a tab (economy, health, social issues etc) and hey presto, all the actual policy that parties had decreed was neatly tabled for ease of comparison. It was useful to some people at least, being reported in Metro and the Sunday Business post amongst others. It was quite a labour to sift through literally hundreds of pages of policy documents and there was zero financial reward for us, so why did we do it ? Because, primarily, we are scientists and believe that facts and not lazy perceptions should be easily available to help us decide what is the best call. As we are both politically non-partisan pragmatists, we wanted to cut through the spin and detail what the actual policies of different parties were, which we had noted was often at odds with what the public and our peers thought. And perhaps naively, we figured that we could help change the country for the better by going to this effort.


While for this local election, neither Teegan nor I had the time or inclination to sink hours of our life into a similar project to comparethepolicy.com , I'll use this blogpost to quickly share some thoughts on policy and realism in politics, and what we learnt. With any luck it will benefit all of you heading to the polls tomorrow.


  • For undecided voters and non-partisan pragmatics, comparethepolicy helped them make choices based on evidence.  Yet it was fairly clear that for many, the people or parties they vote are less about policy /evidence and more about gut feelings or pre-exisiting political ideology. This is precisely what we should strive to avoid - decisions made based on emotive reactions rarely lead to ideal outcomes. For example, it is very easy for a candidate to promise to change something. But unless that candidate clearly details how and why they intend to achieve this change, the promise is deeply suspect and should be treated as such. Of course politicians get away with it because despite our collective political cynicism, we're still not savvy enough to do a Paxman and ask the hard questions of "how" and "why". 
  •  Certain parties had very clear political manifestos, with clear aims and methods for achieving these aims. Others had loose ideas but no coherent way of achieving them, and others still had zero concrete policy. In 2011, of the Irish Political parties, Fine Gael's 5 point plan was the clearest, followed by Labour's manifesto with Fianna Fail's in a distant third. The Green party policies were aspirational and interesting but had no clear method for achieving them. Despite Teegan and I reaching out several times to Sinn Fein and ULA, we we unable to get a clear policy document for either, though the ULA did send us their press releases. We included what we could from these, but in terms of policy they left much to be desired. We asked Sinn Fein for clarification numerous times on their economic policies (especially their much touted default line) but received curt unclear answers each time.  
  • The PR system is a rather excellent way for ensuring that the country get the people they elect in office, but people still seem to misunderstand how a coalition works; the influence of a government partner is decided by their share of the popular vote. Yet despite this, we have a recurring national habit of kicking the junior coalition partners (PDs, Green, Labour) despite their influence being relatively low, regardless of the quality of the policy they got through. This does suggest that we may not make the most rational of decisions, either based on a misunderstanding of how PR works or an emotive ideological reaction.  
  • Many people let their political loyalty blind them, despite not being that familiar with the policies of the party with which they identified; we received several irate emails from people claiming we'd misrepresented their party, despite the fact we'd included the links (or in some cases, scans) to where these documents could be found. This meant people were poorly informed of the actual policies their favoured party had.

These were some lessons we learnt from compare the policy, but overall we learnt that people simple solutions to complex problems, despite these solutions rarely existing. Everything has some cost associated with it, or some consequence. We were, and continue to be, distrustful of those espousing simple narratives over complex things; when we asked certain parties campaigning under a "burn the bondholders" mantra what they meant by bondholders and how they would achieve this, the answers were muddled and economically confused to say the least. 

But despite all this, you might be able to identify some of these traits in the current upcoming election. I sadly cannot vote in the Irish elections tomorrow due to working in the UK, but if you're still undecided, the only real advice I can give you is to be critical and dubious of populism. For example, here's Paul Murphy's poster for election as MEP;

6 years presumably since the bank bailout, but this poster is gloriously confused...
 
 Paul Murphy is running for MEP, yet most of this promotional material refers to water tax. Even the SP have taken to prefacing themselves with "Stop the water tax". Fair enough, but this is utterly disingenuous; first off, the water charge is not a tax - it is a metered charge. The only reason for calling it a tax is to trigger an emotive reaction to the word tax. Secondly, even if it were, domestic issues are NOT the remit of an MEP - unless Paul Murphy thinks he could stop water charges in all of Europe which already pay them (which he couldn't) it's a non-issue, and utterly dishonest or misinformed. This is naked populism, and Mr Murphy isn't alone in this issue - many of the Dublin MEP posters I saw last week were running on domestic issues, indicating the candidates don't actually understand the role of MEP or assume their electorate is too stupid to call them on it.  My old DCU college mate Padraig O'Connor has asked the same question here.

Other populism is just an insidious and can have health consequences; I've written for the Guardian about the Fianna Fail (and to a lesser extent, Fine Gael) candidates pandering to fluoride panic and in more detail on this blog previously. As the ever insightful Colette Brown details, these moves are nothing more than posturing for a local election. I should be careful to not tar all politicians with the same brush; Labour councillors Padraig McLoughlin and Ronan McManus received reams of personal abuse for taking the position supported by scientific evidence and deserve kudos for that.

It will be interesting to see how this election pans out for Labour, and whether we will continue the trend of kicking the Junior partner; On a personal level I really like Pat Rabitte at times - he correctly points out that Labour's share is government is relatively small and thus their influence share small. People seem to forget this. FG have 81% of the sway, yet we'll likely blame the minority party as we always do. That's kind of depressing, as I think Labour's influence is government has been to moderate FG, and they got some very difficult legislation passed in the X-Case, which they have supported for years. With only about 1/5 of the public vote, this is impressive and deserves some respect. Yet if they get hammered, it'll likely just act to increase the voter share of right-wing parties (and a handful of independents with no clear policy) and then we'll moan again about how right-wing our government are, despite the fact we've caused that. Despite the economic improvement since 2011, I suspect this will occur. Perhaps we get exactly the government we deserve.

But I may have just become somewhat cynical since 2011, and less inclined to believe that facts matter to the electorate at large. I hope I'm wrong. In any case, no matter who you choose to vote for, try to get the information you need and be critical rather than cynical. And please, do not be afraid to ask "why" and "how" - if the candidate can't give a fair answer, then feel no shame about passing them over. 

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Tuesday, March 11, 2014

Health policy must be formed on the basis of evidence, not scaremongering..

A cautionary tale of sorts and an urgent plea to Irish politicians to check their sources before they go and make asinine claims and set bad policy on matters of science of health ..


There are certain topics I write about that generate howling letters of disapproval. Topics like abortion, climate change, secularism, gay rights, nuclear power, and homeopathy have all garnered me angry tweets, emails and in some more disturbing cases long rambling letters with vague threats. I accept this as an occupational hazard - the more prominent your forum, the more likely you are to get projectiles lobbed at you and while that's never justified I accept it for what it is - I'm extremely privileged to be both lucky and ostensibly articulate enough to get the odd say in two prominent papers, and hopefully have been able to sway some people towards an evidence-based approach to certain topics, which has always been my primary goal in writing for a mainstream audience. I am no shrinking violet and usually laugh off the odd unhinged e-mail or tweet that some eijit decides to send me - the kind of emails that have have sections WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS and a grasp of logic so tenuous that you stand dazzled and almost impressed by their brave refusal to be a confined to anything even remotely resembling reality.

Yet of all the contentious issues I've tackled, the vitriol I've garnered for water fluoridation is both impressive and admittedly baffling. It is also a subject that showcases the combined scientific ignorance of many of our elected representatives, and for that reason I wish to revisit it and ram this point home. Back in September 2013, a number of Irish senators made some alarming claims about the damage fluoride was doing. Hotpress magazine were running scare stories based on the claims of self-described scientist Declan Waugh. However, the portents of doom were simply not supported by the data - the epidemiological evidence is not even remotely ambiguous- fluoride has been shown for decades to be beneficial to dental health in the correct concentration, saves much more than it costs and in the recommended concentrations has no serious side-effects. The WHO recommend about 1 mg / L for optimal benefit. Ireland stands at 0.7 mg / L, below even the recommended level. Frightening claims claims of cancer, bone disease, autism and pretty much everything else under the sun being linked to fluoride in water are simply not supported -or outright contradicted- by medical evidence. Waugh's charges themselves had been considered - and roundly slammed by the Irish expert board on fluoride. Dr Seamus O'Hickey of the Irish Expert Board on Fluoridation and Health examined the claims and concluded "... in spite of its presentation, its content is decidedly unscientific..the allegations of ill health effects are based on a misreading of laboratory experiments and human health studies, and also on an unfounded personal theory of the author’s.".  The report summary is found here and is pretty damning - this should be a major red flag; in science, the conclusion must fit the evidence. It is profoundly unscientific to start with a conclusion and bend the data to fit it.  

Despite the rebuke from the IEBF, the issue just wouldn't go away and each week worrying claims would pop up in regional newspapers. Seeking to readdress this balance, I wrote a little analysis of the situation for the Irish Times. I've written about the vehement and passionate response this generated here.  [Note - In  Irish Times op-eds, I'm limited to 800 or so words which doesn't always give me scope to deal with all specific claims - Journalist Gerry Byrne recently wrote a pretty scathing analysis in the Sunday Times on Waugh's claims, and his blog post on the subject is worth reading if you want specifics of why such claims are bogus ]. I considered it a fringe issue and in many respects a waste of time. That should have been the end of it; except in November, Sinn Fein TD Brian Stanley tabled a motion  calling for the removal of fluoride in water based on these long since discredited scare claims. He was supported by a handful of other TDs, including Luke Ming Flanagan and Clare Daly., who parroted the same old empty rhetoric. This was doubly disappointing for me, as since I was old enough to vote I've always cast one for Daly - a policy I will sadly not be repeating any time soon.


Luke Ming Flanagan at a publicity stunt strip off to raise money for "The Girl Against Fluoride" - I don't even....

Around this time I got a call from George Hook's producer to debate Brian Stanley on air. By this stage I was irked; Health policy should be made on the scientific evidence, not based on people's irrational fears. The oft-repeated nonsense about fluoride has been scientifically thrashed for decades. As elected Representatives on €92,672 plus expenses a year I supposed I had held some vague hope that politicians might do their homework before making worrying pronouncements that 5 minutes on wiki-fucking-pedia would have nullified, but it would appear this is too much to ask. Fluoride is in some respects a sideshow; the crux of the matter is that if we base our decisions on emotive and poorly formed ideas, everyone suffers. This is especially true in health, as should be clear to anyone who remembers the cost in human suffering if misinformed panic over vaccination a decade ago - suffering that, incidentally, is still ongoing. With this in mind, I agreed to partake in the debate.

I met Brian before the chat- he was an affable guy, but it was immediately clear he wasn't overly familiar with what he was talking about. He didn't really seem to have much of a grasp of the chemistry or biology involved, or any real understanding of the epidemiological data. To his credit, he admitted this straight off the bat and told me he had been "tutored" by some folks in the anti-fluoride movement, on whom he was relying on solely for information. I thought it somewhat daft for a politician to place so much stock on the claims of a lobby group for their information, particularly when the medical literature doesn't back it up.

Prior to the debate, I asked him about this, and the more conspiratorial elements of the anti movement. He admitted there were some pretty "out there" people pushing the issue to him but he was trying to ignore them and focus on the concerns of his demograph.  Again, I wish to stress that I do think Brian acted with good, if somewhat self-serving, intentions to represent the voter core he was aiming for. I just should strongly disagree with the idea that the best way to serve your constituents is to cater policy to the most uninformed or outlandish. While I haven't listened to the audio of the debate, from the twitter response Brian's shaky knowledge was evident enough that it discredited him somewhat.

The motion was, by the way, defeated. Thinking that was finally the end of it for another few years (the fluoride conspiracy theory stuff pops up with cyclic tenacity every few years, and has since the 1950s ), I enjoyed the wedding I'd come back for, had a lovely weekend and mainly ignored the nasty comments I got on twitter. But when I came back to work, it became clear I had irked someone...



Pro-tip: If you're going to write a long, rambling letter trying to someone's employer,  at least attempt to get their name and profession correct. "Physicist gets done for medical negligence" would be a first, mind..


Mr Waugh (despite getting my name wrong, and apparently unaware that I am a physicist, not a physician)  had penned a long letter to my employers, asserting a number of things that I was supposed to have said. Some of which he quoted mainly correctly, some out of context and some of which was completely and utterly false. As to why he wrote to my university and not me, I can only hazard guesses. Waugh himself is an appointee to the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland since 2012  (as Gerry Byrne's article in the Sunday Times explains, Mr Waugh claims to be director of the SEAI but they do not have such a position and in any case, have clarified Mr Waugh is an ordinary board member) , yet I wouldn't write to the Irish government condemning his factual distortions as this would strike me as pointless and potentially vindictive - Waugh's personal opinions on fluoride are presumably his own views, and he is entitled to them. As to why he he didn't extend me the same courtesy I am unsure. As I take pains to make clear, in my capacity as a science and medicine writer I don't speak for any of the institutions for which I work. In my biographic information, I make clear that I am a physicist, not a physician. These details are important, as it's important for a science writer to be as transparent as possible and to clarify that I am an independent scientist and not someone with a vested interest in a particular narrative. I write because I feel it's important and useful to analyse media issues from a scientific perspective, not because anyone tells me to do so.

To their eternal credit, the university were very supportive,  and reiterated that academics have a right to their own opinion. Even so, it made me apprehensive about writing more on the topic - I am 28 years old, and still a relatively young scientist and while I love communicating science, the last thing I want is to be hounded or have my colleagues and friends hounded, especially for stating something that is, scientifically at least, uncontroversial. I authored other pieces in the interim, on other topics I deemed both more important and less thankless. I tried to avoid fluoride, and its passionate but often scientifically illiterate fan base. I gritted my teeth and did my best to ignore it when politicians made populist noises to appease these campaigners, but it grated on me severely as a number of senators and TDs I had formerly quite liked continued to make populist noises and parrot the the claims of these groups with zero apparent interest in checking this against the scientific literature.

Then, in February this year, the matter arose again when some towns in West Cork decided to pass motions limiting the use of fluoride. This was being hailed as a vindication by the protesting groups, a "proof" fluoride was dangerous. This was of course circular logic and utterly wrong-headed, but more ominously a textbook example of blind scaremongering and political expediency trumping scientific analysis. This is a dangerous chasm to fall into, and so I accepted an invite oto RTE's today with Sean O'Rourke. Of the four speakers, I was the only one in support of the practice and had to refute the laundry list of claims by the speaker prior to me, Owen Boyden. Claims like...

  • Ireland and Singapore are the ONLY countries that fluoridate!!!  - Not even close, and utterly disingenuous. America, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada also add fluoride to their water to name but a few. Other countries in Europe add fluoride to their milk, salt and food. There's also the fact that fluoride in water often occurs naturally as a function of mineral load, so that certain areas will be naturally higher in fluoride than others. The only way anyone can ever drink pure H20 would be to go a chemistry lab and down a glass of de-ionised water. Yet more countries have a dental system with regular fluoride rinses.

  • Fluoride causes cancer etc! - This one boils my blood. It's utter nonsense and designed purely to scaremonger. As I outlined in my IT piece, the National cancer institute in the US have buried this one on numerous occasions yet it crops it all the time, precisely because it is  so scary and emotive that it can effectively paralyse reason. Boyden claimed that thousands of international scientists supported this view - I would wager that if he really thinks that's the case, Boyden has never read an oncology or epidemiology paper in his life.

There were plenty more - I outlined the case for fluoride, and argued that health policy must be rooted in fact, not emotive fiction. You can listen here if you're so inclined. Despite the fact I was the only guest supportive of the practice and outnumbered by others, somehow they still felt hard done by...


Now I'm sponsored by Glaxo-Smith Kline? News to me!


It didn't take long for accusations of conspiracy to surface; Boyden claimed I was sponsored by drug company Glaxo-Smith-Kline. Firstly, as I keep having to point out, I'm a physicist. Unless drug companies now illicitly fund mathematical models on the sly as part of some nefarious scheme, it's a charge that makes no sense. I have no dealings with GSK. In any case, I'm pretty sure GSK have nothing to do with water fluoridation so the conspiracy charge fails on two counts. Whether Boyden actually believes this or just said it to save face is anyone's guess.

The Girl against Fluoride, the chosen moniker of Aisling Fitzgibbon, also took to her facebook page to decry me and add her own conspiracy charge. Bear in mind that Fitzgibbon's main qualification is apparently in the totally-legitimate-and-not-at-all-weird-sounding Angel therapy. She also professes belief in homeopathy and has a background of vaccine opposition. Oh, and her family believe that the pill leads to homosexuality too - Geoff Lillis has written all this up before and it's worth reading his background piece here, and while I don't want to engage in an ad hom argument, much of this might suggest Aisling FitzGibbon is perhaps not the most reliable budding epidemiologist going and maybe has some teensy problems with the scientific method. Rather depressingly this hasn't stopped her getting the ear of several politicians in Ireland.


Pssht. I'm actually funded by the Lizard people. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!


Such charges are tiring and real copy-and-paste jobs: I don't think I've ever (knowingly) defended pharma interests - I have, and will continue, to slam bad science however. I also don't work in materials as a ten second google search would have revealed but why let the truth get in the way of a good narrative? Nor, as I have mentioned before, is this the first time TGAF and her followers has accused me of conspiracy. Last time it was the Rockefeller foundation who were apparently footing my bills I believe, but tomorrow it could be monsanto, or the NWO, or the illuminati, or whoever. The point being is that charges of conspiracy and inconsistent as all hell and meant to distract from valid criticism. Perhaps because the foundations of their argument are so shaky, attacking the messenger is easier than honest introspection and detached analysis that might show their whole raison d'etre is fundamentally misguided. 

In some ways the emotive reaction that this topic triggers is better understood through the lens of psychology - these people have made this narrative part of their world-view. They paint themselves as heroic characters striving against a government policy of control, as brave crusaders. That they might be wrong then fundamentally undermines their world view, and their perception of self. If this is the case, then perhaps they simply cannot deal with the cognitive dissonance that would cause; if they are wrong, then their fundamental self-perception is wrong.

Much of this ties in with the concepts of cognitive dissonance and motivated reasoning - When I or anyone else criticise the claims they make, they view this not like scientists as a useful correction of an error but rather as a fundamental attack on "them", their identity, the narrative they have constructed. This response is particularly unfortunate as it is an insulating bubble where any analysis is paramount to heresy and anyone disagreeing is the enemy. And it is always easier to attack then to reflect candidly - when I read the paper this morning, I found that Cork Fianna Fail councillor Chris O'Sullivan has launched a motion seeking the "immediate cessation of water fluoride" in Cork. Either the counseller is genuinely that ignorant of scientific literature or this is a transparent ploy to win support on a populist issue in a specific area renowned for it's distrust of such interventions - it is no coincidence that West Cork also has the lowest rate of vaccination in Ireland and has been the epicentre of all recent outbreaks of measles.

In an act of appeasement, Minister Simon Coveney has pledged to hold a review into the subject. That's fair enough, but ignores the fact we already have an expert body on fluoridation, and the fact the scientific literature is quite clear on the whole subject. While I have no problems with reviews (and I'd imagine that as usual, fluoride will be given a clean bill of health as it has in independent assessments for decades ) I think it's naive to think this will make the protests groups go away - they have no interest in an independent scientific assessment, as they have already come to their dubious conclusion - No expert body will be trusted unless it agrees with their assertions, and given their entire case is fundamentally flawed, there is no good outcome to this.If the review board find nothing remiss, they'll merely play the conspiracy card, as they have with the IEBF.

The bigger question to me is why are our elected representatives pandering to such tired old claims?  Are we willing to allow health policy to be decided by scaremongering claims rather than solid scientific evidence? Even in an Irish context the benefits of fluoride are clear, with non-fluoridated areas having ~63% more primary cavities than fluoridated areas. This saves much more money than it costs, but more importantly than that it provides a baseline protection for everyone - are we really going to scrap that because of baseless claims rather than sturdy analysis? Are our elected Senators, TDs and counsellers really showing such contempt for science that they're willing to take the lead from pseudoscientists, conspiracy theorists and those fundamentally immune to evidence rather than listen to the expert boards convened on those very topics?

If that is the case it's more only depressing, but it sets a worrying precedent - if scientific expert boards and years of data can be so easily cast aside, this truly is a backwards set. If winning votes and taking popular positions matters more to our elected representatives than sustainable sensible policy, I think they should be called to task for it and forced to defend why they think that is acceptable.

I wish I had a simple answer for how to counter this, but all I can suggest is this; if you are Irish and feel like I do that such a path is a dangerous one to take, then I urge you to write to your representatives and point out that these claims are bogus and the self-appointed experts who have been making the most noise are nothing of the sort. Call them on their lack of basic research, their contempt for science - share the Irish expert body on Fluoride report, or Gerry Byrne's article, or even this - If anyone does contact their TDs and councillors on this, I'd be eager to hear their response and rationale for their actions or inactions.

Again, fluoride is a side-show but one that is so outlandish it needs to be challenged. Allowing these dubious voices dominate the conversation despite their steadfast warping of the evidence has been encouraged by many of our politicians and this is no acceptable.

There are consequences for poorly informed policy and we deserve better from our elected representatives.


UPDATE: Gerry Byrne debated with Declan Waugh on Today with Sean O'Rourke today, and his rebuttal of all of Waugh's claims was simply brilliant. I'll upload the audio as soon as it's available, but sadly I do not think even this car-crash performance from Waugh will deter his followers.[Audio here now!]



Side note - There have been some other figures in politics that have impressed me. Labour Councillors Ronan McManus of Bray and Padraig McLoughlin of Dublin have taken an incredible amount of personal flack for suggesting evidence based policy, and have politely but firmly countered the tide of nonsense. I say this as to make it clear I do not tar all politicians with same brush. On a personal note, I must thank Matthew Carrigan, Anita Byrne and Geoff Lillis for their constant debunking of many of these claims.







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